2008-10-03 00:14 extents just landed 2008-10-03 00:15 probably with a big crash, tinkle sound 2008-10-03 00:15 bug hunters should have fun 2008-10-03 00:36 -!- amey(~amey@116.73.35.180) has left #tux3 2008-10-03 00:52 -!- Kirantpatil(~kiran@122.167.195.107) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 00:53 -!- Kirantpatil(~kiran@122.167.195.107) has left #tux3 2008-10-03 01:19 -!- pgquiles_(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 01:31 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 01:33 -!- Kirantpatil(~kiran@122.167.195.107) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 01:33 -!- Kirantpatil(~kiran@122.167.195.107) has left #tux3 2008-10-03 02:20 -!- flips(~phillips@phunq.net) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 03:18 -!- kbingham(~kbingham@193.132.141.186) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 03:51 flips: good work, was just reading the code 2008-10-03 04:20 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 04:42 -!- FelipeS(~Felipe@r77h15.res.gatech.edu) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 04:44 -!- RazvanM(~RazvanM@dazzler.isi.jhu.edu) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 05:23 -!- FelipeS(~Felipe@lawn-128-61-118-191.lawn.gatech.edu) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 06:15 -!- tim_dimm(~timothyhu@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 07:08 morning tim_dimm 2008-10-03 10:05 flips : hello 2008-10-03 10:05 I just bought a new laptop (with no OS) 2008-10-03 10:05 :D 2008-10-03 10:05 Toshiba Sat. L300 2008-10-03 10:08 -!- tim_dimm(~timothyhu@cpe-76-90-98-247.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 10:14 morning flips 2008-10-03 10:52 I just bought a PPC G4 :P 2008-10-03 10:52 specs? 2008-10-03 11:44 it will be quite small, 733 MHz, no cache L2 2008-10-03 11:44 it will come with 512MB of RAM but I have 1GB from my old eMac 2008-10-03 11:45 it's a quicksilver: http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Mac_G4_Quicksilver.html 2008-10-03 11:45 at 105$ including shipping I simply could not resist :P 2008-10-03 12:18 I've got a 1.5Ghz powerbook g4 I've been thinking about putting into linux duty 2008-10-03 12:18 let me know what you load onto it 2008-10-03 12:18 be curious to see what works 2008-10-03 12:19 I've heard there's limited drivers for things like trackpads on ppc 2008-10-03 12:21 I'll put mac os on it 2008-10-03 12:21 I run linux for about 2 years on my iBook G3 2008-10-03 12:22 interesting experience 2008-10-03 12:44 flips and shapor give me major crap about me running mac os 2008-10-03 12:44 flips calls it "shiny" 2008-10-03 12:45 its the only shiny os that I can run FCP on though 2008-10-03 12:50 what is FCP? Flexible Control Protocol? :P http://cs.jhu.edu/~razvanm/ipsn2008koala.pdf 2008-10-03 13:48 final cut pro 2008-10-03 13:48 video editing app 2008-10-03 13:48 my former life as a creative dude 2008-10-03 14:27 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@166.Red-88-16-39.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 14:52 your FCP is better ;-) 2008-10-03 15:26 119 list members 2008-10-03 15:47 my new fit-pc slim should arrive any day 2008-10-03 15:47 ACTION was going to go up today but is lagging behind work and home related chores 2008-10-03 15:47 http://www.fit-pc.com/new/ 2008-10-03 15:47 bh, so what did you like about the new code? 2008-10-03 15:49 it's simplifying te system 2008-10-03 15:49 indeed 2008-10-03 15:50 stuff like that is better done earlier than later 2008-10-03 15:50 remove 150 lines or so 2008-10-03 15:50 because of entropy related things if you buy into that model of looking at software development 2008-10-03 15:50 more still will be removed, so actually the LoC cost of extents gets close to zero 2008-10-03 15:50 complexity went up though 2008-10-03 15:50 yeah, the complexity of the file system is increasing but the code base is getting more and more dense, sign of maturation 2008-10-03 15:51 you're like the last hope I have for Linux file systems so I'm definitely interested in positive progress of this project 2008-10-03 15:55 hg diff -r921a58bdbf8b | diffstat 2008-10-03 15:55 b/user/test/filemap.c | 330 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 2008-10-03 15:55 ... 2008-10-03 15:55 15 files changed, 906 insertions(+), 423 deletions(-) 2008-10-03 15:55 <- extents cost 517 lines so far 2008-10-03 15:55 how's it working so far ? 2008-10-03 15:55 ok as far as I've tested it which is not far 2008-10-03 15:56 waiting for you to download it and try it ;-) 2008-10-03 15:56 ACTION might be able to leave tonight or something 2008-10-03 15:56 yeah, looking for testers 2008-10-03 15:56 make filemap && ./filemap foodev 2008-10-03 15:56 you broadcast that to the world yet ? 2008-10-03 15:56 then it outputs lots of stuff 2008-10-03 15:56 if there are no exclamation marks, you're ok 2008-10-03 15:56 seen the post on tux3 ml? 2008-10-03 15:56 and the one on lkml? 2008-10-03 15:57 when ? a couple of days ago ? 2008-10-03 15:57 or yesterday ? 2008-10-03 15:57 today ? 2008-10-03 15:57 rising steadily up the "hot messages" list 2008-10-03 15:57 ok 2008-10-03 15:57 http://kerneltrap.org/ 2008-10-03 15:58 I don't have a subscription to that unfortunately 2008-10-03 15:58 you don't need it 2008-10-03 15:58 just surf in 2008-10-03 15:58 http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/browse_frm/thread/ce1094c9b82a6768/3f40ebbd1d197f60?lnk=gst&q=daniel+phillips#3f40ebbd1d197f60 2008-10-03 15:59 try and get some ibm folks to support it 2008-10-03 15:59 like those ibm folks that got the et4 extents working 2008-10-03 15:59 funny you should mention that 2008-10-03 16:00 how about some of those novell folks? 2008-10-03 16:00 let me see, who is clueful re filesystems at suse 2008-10-03 16:00 andi for sure 2008-10-03 16:00 clueful about everything nearly 2008-10-03 16:01 ok, time to move the devel env to my laptop 2008-10-03 16:01 so I'm not completely useless for the next 5 days 2008-10-03 16:01 that is, the eee 2008-10-03 16:01 can't say how cool it is to be able to develop tux3 under uml and fuse on the eee 2008-10-03 16:02 flips: we're all working on kvm, scheduling, lockdep and stuff like that with one person overextended that has an interest in the oracle file system 2008-10-03 16:02 that's just in our group, most folks are spread pretty thin as is, same for me as well 2008-10-03 16:03 flips: for what are you going to use the fitpc? 2008-10-03 16:03 ACTION continues reading the post 2008-10-03 16:11 flips: the best way of getting resources is to get your project up to a certain stage of functionality where it has popular following 2008-10-03 16:11 then it's much easier to convince folks to commit resources to something like tux3 development, that's just market reality unfortunately 2008-10-03 16:11 -!- kbingham(~kbingham@92.9.147.219) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 16:12 If I was unestablished and unemployeed, I'd be on it or -rt 2008-10-03 16:17 rzm|away, web server 2008-10-03 16:18 I was going to use my original fit pc for that but it got commandeered by my daughter 2008-10-03 16:18 bh, it already got there when the fuse port went in 2008-10-03 16:19 don't want to hear reasons for not contributing 2008-10-03 16:20 especially from novell 2008-10-03 16:20 who has about 1 bazillion times more resources than me 2008-10-03 16:21 pull somebody off mono ;) 2008-10-03 16:26 http://kerneltrap.org/ <- number one popular lkml message on kernel trap 2008-10-03 16:53 flips: I disagree 2008-10-03 16:54 with? 2008-10-03 16:54 fuse definitely helps but it needs at least a kernel port an a significant following outside of folks just on this channel 2008-10-03 16:54 devs who wait until the code is already in the hands of users are not the devs I'm interested in 2008-10-03 16:55 novell doesn't have infinite amount of resources, quite the opposite 2008-10-03 16:55 of course I know that 2008-10-03 16:55 but compared to me 2008-10-03 16:55 then your best bet is doing what you're currently doing, training the staff to be able to do this kind of work yourself 2008-10-03 16:55 protestations about lack of resources get close to whining ;) 2008-10-03 16:56 dude, it's reality 2008-10-03 16:56 getting on my case, and I'm on your side, doesn't help the situation 2008-10-03 16:56 whining is reality, yes, especially from $billion corps 2008-10-03 16:56 like google 2008-10-03 16:56 masters of whining 2008-10-03 16:56 oh yes 2008-10-03 16:56 like google too, google whines better than anybody 2008-10-03 16:57 corporate slackasses ;) 2008-10-03 16:57 good thing there are actual devs with a clue to hand them their business model 2008-10-03 16:57 ACTION can't find receipts for reembursement :\ 2008-10-03 16:58 anyway, until novell contributes a patch, novell is in the whining/slackass category, simple fact of life 2008-10-03 16:58 I don't speak for all of novell 2008-10-03 16:58 ACTION worres he's beginning to sound a bit like gregkh 2008-10-03 16:58 you're speaking to me 2008-10-03 16:58 I'm on your side 2008-10-03 16:58 I was speaking about novell 2008-10-03 16:59 so light a fire under those pansy asses 2008-10-03 16:59 whoops, is this all logged publicly 2008-10-03 16:59 well, if you're pressuring me it's going to get no where 2008-10-03 16:59 flips: :) 2008-10-03 16:59 doesn't really matter 2008-10-03 17:00 andrea ought to have some fun with this 2008-10-03 17:00 I'll ping him 2008-10-03 17:02 getting close to sk8 oclock 2008-10-03 17:03 bh, just define it as rt work and submit a patch for rt io sheduling 2008-10-03 17:03 can even be done in fuse 2008-10-03 17:03 yeah, right 2008-10-03 17:03 rt doesn't care about performance, only deadlines 2008-10-03 17:03 good way of getting me fired 2008-10-03 17:03 really? 2008-10-03 17:04 yeah, dong something you're not suppose to be dong 2008-10-03 17:04 doing 2008-10-03 17:04 I thought you were doing rt 2008-10-03 17:04 that and more 2008-10-03 17:04 but only for our -rt product 2008-10-03 17:04 that's lame 2008-10-03 17:04 flips: at this time 2008-10-03 17:04 that's life baby 2008-10-03 17:04 just include it in the product 2008-10-03 17:04 tell the pm 2008-10-03 17:04 and I can't just like quit Novell just to work on tux3, that's kind of silly 2008-10-03 17:04 "rt with tux3 rt schedule will rool the woorld" 2008-10-03 17:05 flips: the best I can do is when the right opportunity comes up, I'll spread the good word, but that's going to have limited influence if I'm considered a flake in the group/company 2008-10-03 17:05 rt filesystem is a key blocker for rt 2008-10-03 17:06 without it you've got no rt 2008-10-03 17:06 not for our purposes 2008-10-03 17:06 give it time 2008-10-03 17:06 however much one would like to pretend otherwise 2008-10-03 17:06 and keep working on stuff, it's looking good 2008-10-03 17:06 and you're getting folks on board, that's all good forward progress 2008-10-03 17:09 now if only we'd some some participation from novell 2008-10-03 17:10 course the satisfying point will be the day an oracle dev submits a patch 2008-10-03 17:10 probable a couple months away from that 2008-10-03 17:10 or maybe we have to wait for the cows to come home first, depends 2008-10-03 17:11 on enlightenment of management there mainly 2008-10-03 17:11 then when sun submits a patch we know we RLY ROOL 2008-10-03 17:12 when we expand the addressing to 128 bits we can rename as ZTS (Zigabyte Tux3 fileSystem) 2008-10-03 17:13 -!- ajonat(~ajonat@190.48.123.108) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 18:26 -!- hirofumi(~hirofumi@210.171.168.39) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 18:26 -!- ajonat(~ajonat@190.48.123.108) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 19:36 -!- ajonat(~ajonat@190.48.116.103) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 19:43 -!- ajonat(~ajonat@190.48.116.103) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 20:56 -!- FelipeS(~Felipe@r77h15.res.gatech.edu) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 20:59 -!- FelipeS(~Felipe@r77h15.res.gatech.edu) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 23:11 -!- Aks(~ankitsriv@123.237.70.127) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 23:20 -!- FelipeS(~Felipe@r77h15.res.gatech.edu) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 23:30 -!- wweng(~chatzilla@p67-47.acedsl.com) has joined #tux3 2008-10-03 23:57 -!- pgquiles(~pgquiles@166.Red-88-16-39.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #tux3