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2008-09-05 00:15 <flips> got to consider what to hack next
2008-09-05 00:15 <flips> I'll sleep on it
2008-09-05 00:17 <flips> wow, yummy fuse code from conrad
2008-09-05 00:17 <konrad> unyum
2008-09-05 00:17 <konrad> :D
2008-09-05 00:19 <cdk> @konrad:: trying to compile ur fuse file....getting errors..
2008-09-05 00:19 <cdk> line 256
2008-09-05 00:19 <konrad> hm?
2008-09-05 00:19 <konrad> error?
2008-09-05 00:19 <cdk> unknown filed 'key'  
2008-09-05 00:19 <cdk> specified in initializer
2008-09-05 00:20 <konrad> is your checkout of tux3 up to date?
2008-09-05 00:20 <cdk> ok....i thought so....one moment will get back
2008-09-05 00:21 <flips> installing fuse now
2008-09-05 00:22 <konrad> enjoy the pain
2008-09-05 00:22 <konrad> lots of segfaults
2008-09-05 00:22 <konrad> and no proper readdir
2008-09-05 00:22 <konrad> I'm not sure how it's done, so I just ignored it completely
2008-09-05 00:25 <flips> tux3fuse.c:113:47: error: macro "fuse_main" passed 4 arguments, but takes just 3
2008-09-05 00:25 <konrad> eh, you must have a different version of fuse than me
2008-09-05 00:25 <konrad> the example on the fuse site shows 3 args
2008-09-05 00:25 <konrad> but my version takes 4
2008-09-05 00:25 <konrad> I have 2.7.3
2008-09-05 00:27 <konrad> just get rid of the NULL argument
2008-09-05 00:29 <flips> fuse: failed to exec fusermount: No such file or directory
2008-09-05 00:30 <konrad> the mountpoint or the fake filesystem?
2008-09-05 00:31 <flips> I think there is no fusermount
2008-09-05 00:31 <konrad> ah, weird
2008-09-05 00:31 <konrad> what distro?
2008-09-05 00:32 <flips> or I don't have fuse compiled into my kernel
2008-09-05 00:32 <flips> debian etch
2008-09-05 00:32 <flips> I'll run it on something else
2008-09-05 00:32 <konrad> hm
2008-09-05 00:32 <konrad> I'm on Fedora 9
2008-09-05 00:32 <flips> need to install fuse-utils I think
2008-09-05 00:32 <konrad> ah
2008-09-05 00:33 <cdk> got the latest version .... still cant compile :: undefined reference to `btree_delete'
2008-09-05 00:33 <konrad> are you compiling it correctly?
2008-09-05 00:33 <flips> cdk, change that to tree_chop
2008-09-05 00:33 <konrad> oh, did it change?
2008-09-05 00:33 <cdk> k
2008-09-05 00:33 <flips> it did
2008-09-05 00:33 <flips> gratuitous
2008-09-05 00:33 <konrad> heh, I guess I'm out of date :D
2008-09-05 00:33 <flips> going to have to be more careful about that now
2008-09-05 00:34 <flips> you might want to post a rebased version
2008-09-05 00:34 <flips> just for now until its merged
2008-09-05 00:34 <konrad> I'll do that tomorrow, got to sleep now
2008-09-05 00:34 <flips> fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory
2008-09-05 00:34 <flips> I suppose I have to make the devnode
2008-09-05 00:34 <konrad> is the fuse module loaded into your kernel?
2008-09-05 00:35 <konrad> or somit
2008-09-05 00:35 <flips> no
2008-09-05 00:35 <konrad> I'm not totally familiar with fuse
2008-09-05 00:35 <flips> but I need to make the devnode anyway
2008-09-05 00:35 <flips> I think
2008-09-05 00:35 <cdk> ok compiled
2008-09-05 00:35 <flips> cdk is going to beat me ;-)
2008-09-05 00:35 <konrad> heh
2008-09-05 00:36 <flips> sudo mknod -m 666 /dev/fuse c 10 229
2008-09-05 00:37 <flips> fusermount: fuse device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first <- maybe as far as I get tonight
2008-09-05 00:37 <cdk> yes....mounted and visible..
2008-09-05 00:37 <cdk> :)
2008-09-05 00:37 <flips> :)
2008-09-05 00:38 <flips> and I'm sure, very breakable
2008-09-05 00:38 <konrad> cdk: now count the seconds until segfault
2008-09-05 00:38 <konrad> :D
2008-09-05 00:38 <flips> we'll fix that
2008-09-05 00:38 <cdk> :D
2008-09-05 00:39 <flips> compiling a fuse module
2008-09-05 00:39 <flips> stupid make decided to recompile the whole kernel
2008-09-05 00:39 <flips> oh no
2008-09-05 00:40 <flips> actually it did the right thing
2008-09-05 00:40 <flips> but I compiled the wrong thing
2008-09-05 00:40 <flips> configfs :p
2008-09-05 00:41 <konrad> eh
2008-09-05 00:41 <konrad> heh
2008-09-05 00:41 <cdk> ok....loop while deleting file..
2008-09-05 00:41 <flips> found it
2008-09-05 00:41 <flips> "filesystem in userspace support"
2008-09-05 00:42 <flips> cdk, loop?
2008-09-05 00:42 <cdk> have more that one file on the fs....after fuse shows only one file hello???
2008-09-05 00:42 <konrad> cdk: yes.
2008-09-05 00:42 <konrad> readdir doesn't work
2008-09-05 00:42 <konrad> so remember the name you used before and cat the file
2008-09-05 00:42 <konrad> that much should work
2008-09-05 00:42 <flips> mounted
2008-09-05 00:42 <cdk> k
2008-09-05 00:43 <flips> readdir will work tomorrow morning ;-)
2008-09-05 00:43 <flips> need to sleep now
2008-09-05 00:43 <flips> there is the hello file
2008-09-05 00:43 <flips> how did it get there?
2008-09-05 00:43 <cdk> where are u guys...its 1:30 afternoon here
2008-09-05 00:43 <konrad> flips: look at tux3_readdir()
2008-09-05 00:43 <konrad> it's static
2008-09-05 00:44 <konrad> cdk: Pacific time, west coast USA
2008-09-05 00:44 <cdk> in india
2008-09-05 00:44 <flips> konrad, nice
2008-09-05 00:44 <flips> I'll make it real pretty soon
2008-09-05 00:44 <konrad> excellent
2008-09-05 00:45 <flips> konrad, this is a most pleasant development
2008-09-05 00:45 <konrad> good
2008-09-05 00:45 <flips> cdk, maybe I'll drop by one of these days ;-)
2008-09-05 00:45 <cdk> ofcourse
2008-09-05 00:45 <cdk> always welcome
2008-09-05 00:46 <flips> and you're good enough to get fuse working faster than me ;-)
2008-09-05 00:46 <flips> course I'm kind of lame at stuff like that
2008-09-05 00:46 <cdk> ;-)
2008-09-05 00:46 <flips> shapor is missing the fun
2008-09-05 00:46 <cdk> yeah only good at making stuff work....no good at devel
2008-09-05 00:46 <flips> cdk, we can fix that
2008-09-05 00:46 <shapor> hi flips
2008-09-05 00:47 <flips> everybody's running tux3-fuse while you're...
2008-09-05 00:47 <flips> doing something ;-)
2008-09-05 00:47 <flips> having a life maybe
2008-09-05 00:47 <shapor> yeah, a bit of one anyway lol
2008-09-05 00:47 <flips> sh-3.1# echo hello world >foo/foo
2008-09-05 00:47 <flips> sh-3.1# cat foo/foo
2008-09-05 00:47 <flips> hello world
2008-09-05 00:47 <flips> sh-3.1#  
2008-09-05 00:48 <flips> amazing
2008-09-05 00:48 <konrad> :D
2008-09-05 00:48 <konrad> it's mountable
2008-09-05 00:48 <flips> it is
2008-09-05 00:48 <konrad> developers should come pouring in now
2008-09-05 00:48 <flips> tomorrow morning readdir will work
2008-09-05 00:48 <flips> yah
2008-09-05 00:48 <flips> I need to prepare for this by sleeping now ;-)
2008-09-05 00:49 <flips> oh
2008-09-05 00:49 <flips> I'll check it in first
2008-09-05 00:49 <konrad> rebased and all?
2008-09-05 00:49 <flips> yes, that was easy
2008-09-05 00:49 <konrad> k, good
2008-09-05 00:49 <konrad> saves me 30 seconds tomorrow morning
2008-09-05 00:50 <shapor> konrad: great work on getting tux3 up in fuse ;)
2008-09-05 00:50 <cdk> ok....flips u beat me to cat...
2008-09-05 00:51 <cdk> i still cant do that
2008-09-05 00:51 <konrad> thanks shapor 
2008-09-05 00:51 <flips> heh
2008-09-05 00:51 <flips> I caught up
2008-09-05 00:51 <flips> tux3fuse.c, ok konrad?
2008-09-05 00:51 <flips> and have it in the same directory for now
2008-09-05 00:51 <konrad> sure
2008-09-05 00:51 <shapor> its great to see it looking like a filesystem before the kernel port
2008-09-05 00:52 <flips> really
2008-09-05 00:52 <shapor> will make testing quite scriptable
2008-09-05 00:52 <cdk> when can we expect the kernel port?
2008-09-05 00:52 <flips> and tux3 university starts soon
2008-09-05 00:52 <konrad> heh, tomorrow night, and if it doesn't happen, blame flips
2008-09-05 00:52 <flips> sounds good
2008-09-05 00:52 <cdk> :)
2008-09-05 00:53 <cdk> a few of my friends are also interested in tux3 might get them together and get some devel work done.
2008-09-05 00:55 <cdk> ok...cat working now..
2008-09-05 00:55 <cdk> @konrad:: great works....
2008-09-05 00:56 <cdk> great work
2008-09-05 00:57 <flips> konrad, want your email in the commit message or not?
2008-09-05 00:57 <konrad> hm?
2008-09-05 00:58 <flips> Port of tux3 to fuse, contributed by Conrad Meyer <konrad@tylerc.org> <- for example
2008-09-05 00:58 <konrad> oh, sure
2008-09-05 00:58 <flips> it's in
2008-09-05 00:58 <flips> no more version skew ;-)
2008-09-05 00:59 <konrad> yay
2008-09-05 00:59 <konrad> added it to make?
2008-09-05 00:59 <flips> nope ;-)
2008-09-05 01:00 <flips> next
2008-09-05 01:02 <cdk> tux3 is not in make either...
2008-09-05 01:03 <flips> some lamer didn't put it in I guess
2008-09-05 01:03 <konrad> heh
2008-09-05 01:03 <konrad> night night
2008-09-05 01:03 <cdk> night
2008-09-05 01:04 <cdk> i am off as well
2008-09-05 01:04 <cdk> nice development
2008-09-05 01:04 <cdk> thanks again konrad
2008-09-05 01:04 <konrad> np
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2008-09-05 01:09 <flips> ok, makefile is there
2008-09-05 01:09 <flips> test isn't
2008-09-05 01:09 <flips> patches gratefully accepted
2008-09-05 01:09 <flips> there are some warnings to clear up
2008-09-05 01:21 <flips> sleepy time
2008-09-05 01:21 <flips> today was fun
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2008-09-05 01:52 <flips> ok, rm doesn't segfault if the file doesn't exist now
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2008-09-05 02:07 <shapor> flips: heh you make almost the identical change to the Makefile that I did in that commit
2008-09-05 02:07 <shapor> was only a few characters off, heh
2008-09-05 02:08 <bh> hey flips 
2008-09-05 02:10 <bh> do you think that the ZFS notion of having sha1 hashes all over the place is sufficient to guarantee the integrity of a volume given that you can fix the corruption from redundant copies ?
2008-09-05 02:10 <bh> in place of online checking or any kind of checking ?
2008-09-05 02:12 <bh> ooh too bad
2008-09-05 02:13 <bh> droppoed off
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2008-09-05 02:13 <bh> dropped off
2008-09-05 02:13 <bh> flips: you there ?
2008-09-05 02:21 <MaZe> sha1 in expensive
2008-09-05 02:21 <MaZe> probably needlessly
2008-09-05 02:21 <MaZe> and unless they are real real careful about the order of operations
2008-09-05 02:21 <MaZe> they still can't guarantee memory/cpu/disk channel corruption won't go undetected
2008-09-05 02:22 <MaZe> s/in/is/
2008-09-05 02:22 <MaZe> [not that you can ever be 100% sure, if your cpu/memory could be bad - unless you're making a net fs]
2008-09-05 02:23 <bh> yeah, they could be summing a bad chunk of memory
2008-09-05 02:24 <bh> what else ?
2008-09-05 02:24 <bh> what about phantom writes ?
2008-09-05 02:46 <bh> ok night
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2008-09-05 10:41 <flips> where does fuse log to?
2008-09-05 10:41 <flips> funny it doesn't just write to console when running on foreground
2008-09-05 10:58 <flips> oh it does
2008-09-05 10:58 <flips> silly me
2008-09-05 11:16 <flips> whoever came up with the readdir interface needs to be badly hurt
2008-09-05 12:07 <bh> hey
2008-09-05 12:07 <flips> hi
2008-09-05 12:11 <flips> moonbase:/more/src/hg/tux3/user/test# ls foo
2008-09-05 12:11 <flips> /bar  /bar2  /bar3  /bar4  /bar5  /bar6  /foo  /foo2  /foo3  /hello
2008-09-05 12:11 <flips> not sure what all the slashes are about
2008-09-05 12:14 <flips> the kernel filldir interface is the most amazing stinking pile of poo I have ever seen
2008-09-05 12:14 <flips> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.3/fs/readdir.c#L146
2008-09-05 12:14 <flips> next time I'm in public I'll wear a bag over my head that says "no I am not a linux kernel hacker"
2008-09-05 12:15 <tim_dimm> dang it intel
2008-09-05 12:16 <tim_dimm> i'm looking for a x48 PCIe chipset, and they named theirs x48
2008-09-05 12:16 <tim_dimm> but it only supports 38 lanes
2008-09-05 12:16 <tim_dimm> I know I've seen a x48 lane pcie chipset out there
2008-09-05 12:16 <flips> bounders]
2008-09-05 12:17 <flips> that's a lot of lanes
2008-09-05 12:35 <flips> fuse marches on
2008-09-05 12:35 <flips> directory listing works now
2008-09-05 12:35 <flips> seems to
2008-09-05 12:36 <flips> I don't think it should be printing / for every file though
2008-09-05 12:36 <flips> wonder why it does that
2008-09-05 12:36 <flips> exercise for konrad ;-)
2008-09-05 12:46 <flips> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=954803&cid=24889733
2008-09-05 12:47 <flips> someone passed on my call for helpers
2008-09-05 12:48 <tim_dimm> nice
2008-09-05 12:49 <tim_dimm> btw, I pinged wook for an assist on the visualization we discussed
2008-09-05 12:50 <tim_dimm> no response yet
2008-09-05 12:57 <flips> wooklag
2008-09-05 13:31 <tim_dimm> wook_lag
2008-09-05 13:31 <tim_dimm> :-)
2008-09-05 13:57 <tim_dimm> wow- tux3 got a slashdot lkml bounce
2008-09-05 13:58 <shapor> ?
2008-09-05 13:58 <tim_dimm> its #2 on the lkml hottest message list now
2008-09-05 13:59 <shapor> ah
2008-09-05 13:59 <shapor> heh
2008-09-05 13:59 <tim_dimm> speculating that was from the slashdot reference earlier
2008-09-05 13:59 <shapor> i bet its just flips clicking reload ;)
2008-09-05 14:00 <shapor> actually probably due to the fact that its been on the front page of kerneltrap for the past couple days
2008-09-05 14:00 <shapor> well past day
2008-09-05 14:00 <tim_dimm> could be
2008-09-05 14:38 <konrad> hullo
2008-09-05 14:42 <flips> hi konrad
2008-09-05 14:42 <flips> see the extra slashes on the ls output?
2008-09-05 14:42 <flips> I did not have time to investigate
2008-09-05 14:42 <konrad> nope, build error :)
2008-09-05 14:42 <konrad> tux3fuse.c:251:41: error: macro "fuse_main" requires 4 arguments, but only 3 given
2008-09-05 14:42 <konrad> fun fun
2008-09-05 14:43 <flips> wow
2008-09-05 14:43 <flips> back up cheek by jowel with Linus's post
2008-09-05 14:43 <konrad> lkml?
2008-09-05 14:43 <flips> slashdot blowback
2008-09-05 14:43 <flips> http://lkml.org/
2008-09-05 14:44 <flips> konrad, I guess you have a different version of fuse
2008-09-05 14:44 <flips> too bad they couldn't keep the interface stable
2008-09-05 14:44 <flips> just add the NULL back
2008-09-05 14:44 <flips> we'll figure out what to do later
2008-09-05 14:45 <flips> konrad, anyway it should be tux3fs.c by now
2008-09-05 14:45 <konrad> right
2008-09-05 14:45 <flips> got to go out for a bit
2008-09-05 14:45 <konrad> heh, typo
2008-09-05 14:45 <konrad> it's fux3fs.c
2008-09-05 14:47 <flips> whoops
2008-09-05 14:47 <konrad> hm, getattr seems to be failing here
2008-09-05 14:47 <flips> yes, getattr is totally not implemented
2008-09-05 14:47 <flips> yet
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2008-09-05 17:32 <flips> konrad, which version of libfuse2 do you have?
2008-09-05 17:32 <konrad> 2.7.3
2008-09-05 17:32 <flips> 2.5.3 here
2008-09-05 17:33 <flips> it's a shame they couldn't keep the api stable across 2 point releases
2008-09-05 17:33 <flips> I guess we need a #if on version
2008-09-05 17:33 <flips> hard to see how that will work
2008-09-05 17:34 <konrad> heh
2008-09-05 17:34 <flips> or I upgrade
2008-09-05 17:34 <flips> and we define to work only on recent fuse
2008-09-05 17:34 <flips> :p
2008-09-05 17:34 <konrad> if you feel like it
2008-09-05 17:34 <flips> I don't
2008-09-05 17:34 <flips> it's a backport to etch
2008-09-05 17:34 <konrad> could just pass a define to gcc or somit
2008-09-05 17:34 <flips> hate fiddling with that
2008-09-05 17:35 <flips> yes, but the define has to key on something
2008-09-05 17:36 <flips> konrad, can you do ls /usr/lib/libfuse*
2008-09-05 17:37 <flips> then have stuff like /usr/include/fuse/fuse_compat.h
2008-09-05 17:38 <flips> and /usr/include/fuse/fuse_lowlevel_compat.h
2008-09-05 17:38 <bh> flips: you going to try and get this running on fuse ?
2008-09-05 17:38 <flips> bh, it's already running on fuse
2008-09-05 17:38 <bh> ok
2008-09-05 17:38 <flips> konrad did it
2008-09-05 17:38 <bh> nice
2008-09-05 17:38 <bh> when did konrad come on board ?
2008-09-05 17:38 <flips> now debugging the bugs
2008-09-05 17:38 <bh> nice
2008-09-05 17:38 <flips> earlier this week
2008-09-05 17:38 <bh> nice
2008-09-05 17:38 <flips> I think
2008-09-05 17:38 <flips> maybe last week
2008-09-05 17:38 <konrad> I have /usr/include/fuse/fuse_compat.h
2008-09-05 17:39 <konrad> but no /usr/lib/libfuse
2008-09-05 17:39 <flips> ah, redhat puts them somewhere else I suppose
2008-09-05 17:39 <bh> ok, out
2008-09-05 17:39 <flips> for no good reason
2008-09-05 17:39 <konrad> well, and 64-bit
2008-09-05 17:39 <konrad>  /usr/lib64
2008-09-05 17:39 <flips> ah
2008-09-05 17:39 <flips> and what's there?
2008-09-05 17:40 <konrad> nothing
2008-09-05 17:40 <flips> libfuse2 it should be
2008-09-05 17:40 <konrad> ah
2008-09-05 17:40 <konrad>  /lib64/libfuse.so
2008-09-05 17:40 <flips> should be a bunch more
2008-09-05 17:41 <flips> ls /usr/lib64/libfuse.so*
2008-09-05 17:41 <flips> ls /usr/lib64/libfuse*.so*
2008-09-05 17:42 <konrad> nope
2008-09-05 17:42 <konrad> rpm -ql fuse-devel
2008-09-05 17:42 <flips> ah, I dimly recall rpm -ql
2008-09-05 17:42 <konrad> /lib64/libfuse.so
2008-09-05 17:42 <konrad> /lib64/libulockmgr.so
2008-09-05 17:43 <konrad> that's it
2008-09-05 17:43 <konrad> for .so's
2008-09-05 17:43 <flips> packaged quite differently
2008-09-05 17:43 <flips> and incompatibly
2008-09-05 17:43 <flips> I suspect the problem isn't the fuse guys
2008-09-05 17:43 <flips> but "creative" redhatters
2008-09-05 17:45 <flips> #define FUSE_USE_VERSION 26 <- aha
2008-09-05 17:45 <flips> that must have something to do with it
2008-09-05 17:46 <konrad> ah, does 2.5.3 do version 26?
2008-09-05 17:46 <konrad> read your fuse/fuse.h
2008-09-05 17:49 <flips> #ifndef FUSE_USE_VERSION
2008-09-05 17:49 <flips> #define FUSE_USE_VERSION 21
2008-09-05 17:49 <flips> #endif <- then there are lots of function mismatches and no .readdir
2008-09-05 17:49 <konrad> hm
2008-09-05 17:50 <flips> #define fuse_main(argc, argv, op) \
2008-09-05 17:50 <flips>             fuse_main_real(argc, argv, op, sizeof(*(op)))
2008-09-05 17:50 <flips> what have you got there?
2008-09-05 17:51 <konrad> 477 #define fuse_main(argc, argv, op, user_data)                            \
2008-09-05 17:51 <konrad> 478         fuse_main_real(argc, argv, op, sizeof(*(op)), user_data)
2008-09-05 17:51 <flips> idiotic api breakage
2008-09-05 17:52 <konrad> :D
2008-09-05 17:52 <flips> well we can grep fuse.h for user_data
2008-09-05 17:52 <flips> in the makefile
2008-09-05 17:52 <flips> and write nasty notes there
2008-09-05 17:52 <flips> or we can ask on their mailing list
2008-09-05 17:53 <flips> better style
2008-09-05 17:53 <flips> there's probably an irc channel on this server
2008-09-05 17:53 <konrad> I think I tried actually
2008-09-05 17:53 <konrad> here and freenode
2008-09-05 17:53 <flips> nope
2008-09-05 17:54 <flips> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fuse-devel
2008-09-05 17:55 <flips> konrad, how would you like to be our representative on the fuse-devel list?
2008-09-05 17:55 <flips> :-)
2008-09-05 17:55 <konrad> joining
2008-09-05 17:56 <flips> got an idea how to frame the question?
2008-09-05 17:56 <konrad> "Why did you break the %#& API?"
2008-09-05 17:56 <flips> :-)
2008-09-05 17:56 <flips> excellent way to get silence
2008-09-05 17:57 <konrad> right
2008-09-05 17:57 <flips> "what is the expected workaround for the extra user_data parameter added to fuse_main?
2008-09-05 18:02 <flips> konrad, you know what I'm going to do?
2008-09-05 18:03 <flips> hack my fuse.h
2008-09-05 18:03 <flips> and add an extra parameter that is ignored
2008-09-05 18:03 <konrad> k
2008-09-05 18:03 <flips> I'll rev tux3 pretty soon to user the 4 parameter flavor of fuse_main
2008-09-05 18:03 <flips> skate first
2008-09-05 18:03 <konrad> enjoy :)
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2008-09-05 20:37 <flips> konrad, fixed the rename damage and adapted to the 4 arg from or fuse_main
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